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Full honest opinion on Megaman 2? It kinda sucks compared to the other Nintendo Megamans
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Posted on Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 to r/retrogaming | Discussion | 0 points
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@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 2 points | Reply
(copy and pasted from original post)
Yeah, this game was nowhere near as good as 1, 3 or 4 were for me (I haven't played/beaten 5 or 6 yet). I literally liked 1 better; everyone said this game "fixed all the flaws" and "improved so much" from Megaman 1, and while I guess maybe 1 or 2 things are "better", it's really not the end-all-be-all Megaman game everyone toutes it as.
One of my big issues is that Megaman still slides to a stop when you let go of the d-pad; it's caused me many falls when trying to tap the d-pad to edge walk so I can grab an item that's on a 2 block ledge, then I involuntarily go into a run because I held the d-pad for a millisecond too long, and then I slide off the other side. That's still in the game, and people say it has "better controls" than Megaman 1?
The music in this game is way overrated. Not to say that Megaman 1's music is that much better, but how come that one gets left in the dust and this one gets ranked amongst the best NES soundtracks? Not just the songs themselves being overrated, but just like with early Capcom games, and their distinct "early NES" sound present in games like Ghosts 'n Goblins, Commando, and of course Megaman 1 and 2 (amongst others), the compositions are great, but you can tell they don't push the sound hardware to do any cool ADSR effects and sounds like how they did in later games (like Megaman 3 and up, Street Fighter 2010 (yes, I said that), etc. If people like Megaman 2 music, they should, by proxy, also enjoy the music in the other early NES Capcom games I mentioned, but that's so seldom the case.
The stages are fine, I guess; they're actually the easiest levels in any Megaman game. Even on Difficult mode, the game is still the easiest one out of all the Megamans. Maybe that's why people like it... Regardless, the "challenge" comes from things like asshole enemy placement, asshole maneuvers like Wily stage 1 where you have to jump on three item 1s to get to the other ladder, Wily stage 4 with the moving platform segments, and asshole boss fights like Airman, Woodman, Quickman, the dragon, the boobean trap and final Wily, and that's totally cheap and BS. Again, not that the others don't have these problems at times, but in this game it's the worst from my personal experience.
Overall, this game gets a 6/10 from me.
This wasn't my first playthrough; this is the game I go back to the least, but I have beaten it a few times before, and right now I'm on a Megaman kick with the Legacy collection on Switch (apparently it's a few years old now but I just got it not that long ago).
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by ListenBeforeSpeaking | 1 point | Reply
What platform are you playing on? The controls are much better on original hardware or something like a Mister.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | -1 points | Reply
I'm aware of that fact; this is in fact the Legacy collection on Switch, but I've played it on real hardware and unfortunately I still feel the same way about it.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by ChillingworthsTwin | 1 point | Reply
What makes those bossfights “asshole”? I remember those being fairly easy.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 1 point | Reply
Airman? Come on; it's so cheap the way he blocks your shots with the tornadoes and you hardly have room to avoid them when they come at you
Woodman's leaf shield is so tall that the only way to avoid it is if you hit the very peak of your jump as it passes under, but if you hit one of the leaves falling from the sky you drop down; essentially there's no avoiding it unless you have pixel precision and jump right between the falling ones but they sway back and forth so fast, then he leaves you a maybe 1 second gap to shoot him before he shields again.
Quickman just jumps all around and is so hard to hit. I get there's a pattern, but damn
The dragon actually wasn't as bad as I remembered it being, but the only leaving you 3 platforms to stand on, and the bottom one essentially doing you no good because it's to the left where you will never land on it if you get knocked back made it too hard for me back then (but again I've come around this time)
Boobeam trap, having to commit suicide if you miss once, or shoot the doors you didn't need to so you can replenish your Clash bombs
Dr. Wily final, only bubble lead works, and if you run out, you can't replenish it in the room before so you have to get game over to get another shot at it
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by cams0400 | 17 points | Reply
Personally more a fan of megaman 3 but your take on 2 is for sure a hot take on it
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by tallwhiteninja | 8 points | Reply
I personally prefer 3 and 4 of the NES games...but 1 over 2 is a reasonably spicy take.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 0 points | Reply
Reasonably spicy? And good man, 3 is also my favorite
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by tallwhiteninja | 3 points | Reply
I mean, it's not like you said X7 is the best Mega Man X game, or 2 is the best Devil May Cry, or something silly like that.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | -5 points | Reply
Umm thanks lol, yeah I would never say that about X7; I only played it and X, and even without comparing it to the X games it just sucks as a game on its own
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by codewario | 4 points | Reply
The only problem I have with 3 is the banger of a title screen song is completely unaccompanied by a cutscene, or any significant artwork. Otherwise, peak NES Mega Man right there.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by VirtualRelic | -1 points | Reply
1 over 2 is my take as well. Something just clicks with Mega Man 1, hard but fair and I love the simplicity, not full of window dressing like all the sequels.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 1 point | Reply
Thank you
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by Thrashtilldeath67 | 1 point | Reply
It sucks? How so?
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | -4 points | Reply
I went over this in another comment
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by Thrashtilldeath67 | 1 point | Reply
>_>
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 0 points | Reply
It's not my fault you can't be bothered to scroll down one page
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by VogonPoetSociety | 9 points | Reply
At the end of the day what you like is what you like. I feel MM2 is leagues better than MM1 but still prefer 3 and 4 to both.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 3 points | Reply
I'm genuinely curious to know what you like about this game more than 1.
I promise I'm in no way trying to start shit by asking that
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by VogonPoetSociety | 3 points | Reply
Nah no worries.
I felt the controls were tighter than MM1, more bosses and better level design, and I preferred the music.
But like I said, to each their own.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 1 point | Reply
Yeah I get it
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by HereReluctantly | 1 point | Reply
And what do you think is worse?
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 2 points | Reply
Basically everything he said;
Less bosses sure, but better bosses in my opinion
The controls feel no different; I don't think they feel any tighter (I already talked about how problematic this was for me in the long comment)
The music is about the same, but I like it better because it's also good, but you mention Megaman and Megaman 2 songs are the first to come up; it's nice to hear something different instead of the same 5 songs everyone likes
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by Ironcastattic | 4 points | Reply
That's ok. To each their own.
I feel the same way about this post compared to the other posts.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 2 points | Reply
Other posts... praising this game?
(I didn't mean that in a sneery tone as if like "oh other people actually like it?", I meant that as like I'm guessing what you're referring to)
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by Ironcastattic | 4 points | Reply
I think this is the first time in my life I've ever heard someone say "Mega Man 2 sucks".
Like, I seriously don't think I've heard that take by anyone.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 1 point | Reply
No, not "sucks", I said it "kinda" sucks, "compared to the other Megaman games". On its own, it's not that bad; the other Megaman games just, in my opinion, set the bar higher. It's hell of a lot better than some of the crap on the Nintendo, so I'm not slumping it down with, like, the LJN games or something like that
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by Ironcastattic | 0 points | Reply
That's still one hell of a qualifier.
Like I said, I don't think I've ever heard anyone badmouth 2. And your argument is a bit ludicrous. "set the bar higher".
Yes. Do you understand how technology, programming and game development work? Are you seriously arguing a game "sucks" because it was created before the games that came after?
Like, that's how games work. Graphics get better. More/varied gameplay is introduced. If developers are even remotely competent, the sequel should be on par if not better.
It's just a very bizarre thing to complain about when MM2 is, at the very least, seen as one of the best in the NES library.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 2 points | Reply
>Are you seriously arguing a game "sucks" because it was created before the games that came after?
So wait, did Megaman 1 come out after Megaman 2?
>It's just a very bizarre thing to complain about when MM2 is, at the very least, seen as one of the best in the NES library.
Oh yeah, because that's how opinions work; it's not what I like, it's what everyone likes; sorry, I take it all back now
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by Ironcastattic | 2 points | Reply
That's all I asked for. Thank you.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by REAPER-1_xxx | 2 points | Reply
I always found this one overrated cuz I prefer 4 and most ppl say 2 is by far the best.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by PsychoBalloons | 2 points | Reply
I personally think it's one of the better games in the series. I like it more than 3 and maybe 1. But then again, I think Mega Man 8 is the best in the Classic series, so I wouldn't trust my opinion🤣
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 1 point | Reply
I like Megaman 8! Once I get to it again in this little Megaman marathon I'm doing (a Megathon?) I'll see how it holds up to the others but I have nostalgia for that one
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by HMPoweredMan | 0 points | Reply
That explains it.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 1 point | Reply
I've never beaten it; I just have fond memories of it from when I was younger that's all
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by Kernburner | 1 point | Reply
A bit of history:
It was purposely made to be significantly easier as the first game didn’t do all that well commercially and the upper brass attributed it to being too difficult.
The team was tasked on a new non-Mega Man related project, but they felt so strongly about trying their hand at a sequel that they petitioned their bosses to give them another chance and the rest is history.
Yup, the Mega Man franchise almost never happened.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by Cer0zer0 | 1 point | Reply
6 is my favorite. Definitely an average entry but I love the armors and OST
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by GhoulArtist | 4 points | Reply
I disagree, but MM2s holy Grail status is also because it has a GENIUS 8-bit music score. Possibly the best ever.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by amiga4000 | 1 point | Reply
Interesting take, I personally think it's the best of the first 3 games, hell add in the first 4 games since I do think 4 is overrated personally and would definitely rank 2 above it. I really like the design of 2, most of the robot masters are iconic and I think the music is amazing. It's way better balanced than Mega Man 1 where as a kid there were certain brick walls I ran into that took a long time to pass.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by askmehowimfeeling88 | 1 point | Reply
Megaman 2 is the best Megaman followed closely by Megaman 3
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by Casey-Strange1334 | 1 point | Reply
Some would disagree with me, but I believe this was most people's first Megaman experience. Only a few people bought the first game back in the day when it initially launched. The price hike on the first game over the years is insane.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by Alis-Landale | 2 points | Reply
This topic just makes me want to play the MM games again.
@ Tuesday, September 19th 2023 by ContributionHour8644 | 1 point | Reply
2 is my favorite and always will be. I own the first 4 and have beaten them all back in the day. 2-4 are the best but 2 is my favorite.
@ Wednesday, September 20th 2023 by Tetris_Pete | 0 points | Reply
Quality troll post right here. Approved.
@ Wednesday, September 20th 2023 by WFlash01 (OP) | 3 points | Reply
Oh gee whiz I got u/Tetris_Pete's approval everyone! 🥳🥳🎉🎉🎉 Now the world is a better place because you exist. Great job buddy, keep it up
@ Wednesday, September 20th 2023 by Tetris_Pete | 0 points | Reply
Thank you. I do what I can. Troll on.
@ Wednesday, September 20th 2023 by Snapple47 | 1 point | Reply
Mega Man 2 is my favorite game of all time to this day
@ Wednesday, September 20th 2023 by King_Puffelump | 1 point | Reply
No way, mega man 2 is the best mega man. Mega man 7 is a close second
@ Wednesday, September 20th 2023 by diluxxen | 1 point | Reply
3 is my goto, but 2 put Mega Man on the map.
@ Thursday, September 21st 2023 by MetapodChannel | 3 points | Reply
It's a bit rough around the edges. So is 1 but I prefer 1 more. I think all the NES mega man games hold up well enough though, and they're all not without their flaws. I don't think any of them really suck that much compared to the others. My least favorite is 3.
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